Gun rights advocates often find themselves in an endless circle of discussion and argument on the same topics. It's cyclical. The reason for this is it seems the same tired arguments in favor of gun control tend to be circulated in the same manner. For a few months we'll hear about "assault weapons". Then the evils of concealed carry. Then the evils of allowing concealed carry where it previously wasn't permitted and how "blood will flow in the streets". Or "cop killer" bullets. Or the gaping abyssal chasm of the "gun show loophole".
And on and on and on.
The problem with this after a while it becomes really hard to argue or debunk the same points time and time again. Like anyone, you get tired of repetitive behavior. Past a certain point you just don't want to type out the same argument that you made six months ago on the same issue but in a slightly different way.
Gun control is not rational. Because it isn't, any arguments we make against are not for the benefit of the one arguing for gun control but for the passers-by that happen to wander within earshot or blogshot. Those are the minds we are after. Gun control supporters are frankly a bunch of scared, whiny sissies well along in the process of devolution to lower life forms. Inverterbrates, specifically, since it is clear most gun control supporters lost their spines a quite some time ago.
With a gulf that wide between our species there is no hope of reconcilliation. So why bother?
Because it's fun.
Now, I know that is a cruel thing to toy with someone's fragile emotions in that way. To some, it is sick and twisted to derive pleasure by deliberately inflicting emotional harm on others. But since they are acting on emotion I can count on them to plug their ears and run away screaming "La! La! La!" within a few minutes, I figure they've brought it on themselves. Or they get pissed and call me "heartless", "souless" or "bloodthirsty". Haven't been called a racist yet but I'm sure it is coming. But since they've chosen to inject themselves into adult issues and adult conversation, it isn't my fault if their poor little ego is bruised and they have to run home to Mommy screaming like they've skinned their knee after falling off their bike with the training wheels still on.
These are times where random stuff pops into your head. Because the gun controller often likes to head for the edge cases and absurd of "What If?", your mind often decides to do so as well.
The reason for this is my perennial favorite haunt of the bigot, the intolerant, the screaming ninny and the perpetual busybody: Democratic Underground. Yes, I daily wander into the Guns forum there and read the latest and greatest against gun rights and the cheer on, in my mind since I've been banned multiple times and have run out of e-mail addresses to sacrifice on that altar, those who defend them. I would point out that this is a separate forum on DU in order to keep the general populace of the place from learning about the issue.
The moment any gun related topic appears in General Discussion, especially if it asks an opinion on gun rights or is in support of them, it is immediately banished to the "Gungeon" as it is called. Without exception, a guns oriented post lasts maybe a day at most before it is shuffled out of sight like a disfigured child locked in the attic where it can't offend the guests by its horrible visage.
Yep, tolerance and support for dissenting viewpoints abounds there alright.
Spend anytime reading through this morass and certain themes emerge and repeat. It's almost a form of bigot "
Game of Life" where various patterns arise, survive and sustain themselves and fade away as new ones evolve to replace them.
One of these patterns is the often stated desire for gun licensing and/or registration. Two reasons are given for this desire.
The first seems logical and rational based on day-to-day life: we license and register cars. If we do it for cars, why don't we do it for dangerous weapons? The most obvious answer and is always ignored by the ones proposing this is simple: we don't license rights. I fall into that school of thought although I personally subscribe to
LawDog's views on the subject.
If the anti-rights bigots were actually sincere on the notion of "licensing guns the way we license cars", I'd be all over it, LawDog style. I have yet to see an anti-rights person rise to LawDog's assertions which only goes to prove their
real intentions behind the proposal.
But what I am really on about is the second reason. The other argument made in favor of registration/licensing is one of crime control. Specificially that with gun registration we'll be able to catch criminals who use guns in crime.
Blink, blink?!? You want to run that one by me again, Mr. Resaonable Gun Control?
What shocks me is hardly anyone on that pillar of intellectual supremacy points out the logical disconnect in that assertion. It's the DU version of the "Underpants Gnomes":
- Step 1: Register all guns
- Step 2: ?
- Step 3: Catch criminals!
No one bothers to explain how we get to Step 3 after Step 1. Tam did it best in pointing out this disconnect with a quote attributed to
Marko in this
post:
When someone asks you about licensing and registration, pick up a pen and a sheet of paper. Tear the paper in half and hand half to your questioner. Say "Okay, this pen is a gun. The paper I'm holding is my license and the paper you're holding is the registration. Using only these two pieces of paper, explain to me just how you are going to keep me from shooting someone?". After the initial red-faced sputtering, the responses are invariably hilarious.
Using the same analogy, let's modify it slighty:
"Okay, this pen is a gun. The paper I'm holding is my gun license and the paper you're holding is the gun registration stored with law enforcement. A criminal wanders by and steals my gun. Now, using only these two pieces of paper, explain to me how they are going to lead me to the criminal?"
I hope Marko doesn't mind me running with this a little bit.
Gun controllers don't get this. They never respond to the first criticism of such a scheme which is the fact that criminals don't register their guns! How on Earth would a law compelling mandatory registration of all firearms also cause compliance on the part of a class of individuals provably known for not obeying laws in the first place? Appeal to their better natures and sense of community? All they can offer up is emotional platitudes that they will "feel safer" knowing that the Government (ironically whom they don't trust on other issues) knows where all these guns are.
The mind boggles. But hey, at least they're being somewhat honest when they state this. Most, however, do not or simply argue from authority.
At best, all gun registration does it lead to the last legal owner, nothing more. Unless the legal owner decided to cross the line from law-abiding citizen to criminal and conveniently leave their registered gun at the scene of the crime. Then,
and only then, would registration catches criminals.
I can tell you how often that happens: Pretty much never. If you doubt this, give the comments
here a read about Canada's much vaunted gun registry. Most echo the absurdity of the notion that registration leads to catching criminals. Remember, Canada's system of gun licensing and registration is held up as a model worthy of emulation here in the United States. The irony is the above article for advocating for the efficacy of Canada's gun registry is from an American organization.
Anecdotally, I've read (and cannot find the source) that the Canadian gun registry has yet to solve a single actual crime involving a legally owned firearm in the database. After billions of dollars and years of service with still no end in sight. If true, it merely proves Marko's assertion. Dave Kopel echoes this
here.
Supporters of the registry argue that the overrun was not that bad for such a good program. Unfortunately for anybody taking this tack, there are no actual successes to tout. Not one crime has been solved by the registry. Allan Rock claims that the registry has saved 1,240 lives a year, but nonpartisan Canadian criminologists such as Philip Stenning and Matthew Yeager scoff at this assertion. (Stenning teaches at the University of Toronto's Centre of Criminology. Yeager is a consulting criminologist who once served as staff researcher for the U.S. Conference of Mayors' campaign to promote gun control.) Firearms suicide has declined, but has been replaced by other methods.
Emphasis mine.
There is another reason gun registration is opposed and this is the one that envokes the cookie cutter response from the anti-rights bigots on DU when registration is resisted by gun owners there. It is the meme they accuse the gun owners of when they resist registration by saying gun owners believe Democrats "are going to take their guns" and ask gun owners to point out where that has happened in this country since they view this as absurd and extremist. And then promptly ignore examples of California (SKS), New York City ("assault weapons") or New Orleans (by police fiat) as isolated examples and that a co-ordinated attempt at confiscation using the registration lists as a guide "would never happen here".
And also set aside historical examples from around the world in 20th Century. Disarmament has almost always occurred after registration historically speaking. Just because it hasn't happened yet in places like Canada doesn't mean it can't. Britain and Australia ought to serve as loud and clear warnings that it can and does happen. Often rapidly.
These are the reasons why registration is resisted hotly by gun owners. One, we know and acknowledge the logical disconnect between registration and solving gun crime and how registration
cannot aid in crime control. It is nothing more than "gun owner control" used to marginalize and isolate gun owners an aberrant members of society. Subject to further controls at their whim "for the good of society".
Two, given the long history of registration leading to confiscation which can be factually shown to have occurred here and abroad, it will be resisted no matter what other justifications "for the common good" are offered. Decades of gun control in this country have shown that the other side simply cannot be trusted on the subject.
Not to continue enforcing blunt trauma on a deceased equus but that leads me to the point of this post and the random thing that popped into my mind on the topic. It is an answer to the "What If?" question if it actually happened here.
Let's assume gun registration happens here. Let's assume that some unknown number of tragedies that are exploited for political gain occur and those in power now decide to request turn in on penalty of forcible confiscation some number of "bad" firearms. Handguns, "assault weapons", large caliber shotguns, plane downing .50s and so on.
I think it would be perfectly reasonable under such circumstances that a significant number of otherwise law-abiding gun owners would engage in mass civil disobedience as exercised by Canadian gun owners today and simply refuse to comply. Some will have refused the prior voluntary registration but I find this a weak argument. Aside from taking a principled stand which I admire, a government willing to change the law so radically to create national registration would have no issues as part of that new law to use the decades worth of available Form 4473s as the starting point of their database. Even if you didn't give them your gun information, they've probably got it in one form another. Certainly not all of your guns but a good start.
If national registration happens, it is going to happen. Gun owners will certainly resist peaceably, to be sure, but at the end of the day the Government
will have a list containing some significant percentage of the guns in this country. This is about what happens next when history decides to darken our doorstep with a repeat visit.
Anti-rights bigots, slaves to their hatred of views foreign to their own and who decry guns as "uncivilized", have no problem stating stonily that they have no problem with the armed agents of the Government coming to your home and disarming you by force. Certain classes aren't entitled to firearms and force is allowed in their worldview to deprive those classes (you) of their property. Because it is their views in power they don't see the issue in this. Hopefully you can recognize the irony in that viewpoint that guns in one set of hands, theirs, must be used to take them out of another set, yours, because they are the ones in control. Or living in fear.
This is tyranny plain and simple. So I wish to echo my thought on what I would like to see happen should this ever come to pass.
"You want to disarm me. Fine, that you can do under the power you've voted yourselves. I do not have to acknowledge it. And will not. However, I will be willing to give it some small token of legitimacy if you pass a consfication law as follows...".
I, as a sovereign individual within this society, grant you the authority to pass a confiscation law under the following terms:
One, you may
not send armed agents of any state or federal entity to enforce it. This includes the military. Since such an act violates the Constitution and in my fantasy, I get to believe the vast majority of law enforcement and military members will take their Oaths seriously. In addition, no armed agents may be used to enforce other decrees against private citizens suspected of non-compliance for any other suspected crimes. As long as they are wanted for their disobedience that is all you can go after them for for the duration.
Two, given that you may not send agents of the state to enforce your decree, I grant you the power to do so yourself. For every legislator that votes "Yes" on such a bill, I grant you the authority to come in person to my home to enforce your decree with whatever private citizen who is not a member of any of the previously mentioned enforcement groups who wishes to accompany you. If you can convince the Attorney General, absent bodyguards and police, your next-door neighbor and so one to come along, knock yourself out. However, the gun owner you are targeting has the same authority and are free to invite as many friends to their side as they can muster.
Three, your group shall be held immune from prosecution for murder and any other mayhem you cause. Likewise so shall the gun owner and any individuals allied with him/her. A bounty of $100,000 shall be placed per head of the enforcing legislator or the gun owner only. Only the group who is allied with the successful party may claim the bounty. No bounties may be claimed for the accompanying parties unless they themselves are wanted or legitimate. Example: Senator Joe Dickhead brings his posse to a home of a known resisting gun owner and the gun owner happens to have four other friends on the same list with him/her. If Senator Dickhead manages to capture or kill all five wanted individuals, he or his party could claim a bounty of $500,000. If the wanted individuals capture or kill him, the most they could claim is $100,000.
Four, you may use any weapons that are deemed presently legal and held legally at the time of enactment. This means you cannot use weapons or equipment limited to government, law enforcement or military purposes. If you can obtain the necessary tax stamps and paperwork for items that fall under the NFA from the BATFE, feel free to expend them. You want to pay a $200 tax per cannon shell, wait months for approval to use them and comply with all the storage regulations, go right ahead. This applies to both sides. However, the use of any such weapons
must limit their damage to the property of the wanted gun owner. No more and no less. Collateral damage is not permitted.
Five, legislators attempting to enforce this decree may only do so from funds available to them privately. No public monies, services or equipment may be used. If you need the address of an individual, you must locate them using services and options available to the general public. Don't know where a gun owner lives? Hire a private investigator. Government databases and records available only to the government are strictly off-limits.
And lastly...
Six, should you capture a non-compliant gun owner alive, you
must try them in a court of law and imprison them for violations of the turn-in order only. This will be a misdemeanor crime and limited to 6 months in jail and a fine. However, should the gun owner capture you alive, they are free to execute you for treason in a public setting at a time and place of their choosing. By voting "Yes" on such a law you did violate your Oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and thus have forfeited its protections.
Somehow, I don't think the anti-rights bigots will get behind this. But in my fantasy this is the way such a law should be. No force of the State, no control of the People through bureaucrats and unelected actors. Just you. If you believe strongly enough in the cause of citizen disarmament, you should have no difficulty finding enough people to get in line behind (or in front) of you and come and do it yourself and take your chances.
Otherwise, do not lie about gun registration being about crime control. Just tell the truth and say you want power over those unlike you and you will use the power of the State to enforce your will.
At least then you'd be honest about what gun registration is really about.
I now return you to Reality.